Discover how Mathnasium franchisees are transforming education with AI and fostering a vibrant, diverse community. In this conversation, Zeph Chang what it’s like to own a Mathnasium franchise. As a multi-unit owner, he shares the benefits of being a part of this strong system with strong training and corporate support. Learn about the supportive network of franchisees from around the world and how their collaborative culture drives success. Whether you’re considering a franchise investment or interested in educational innovation, this video offers valuable perspectives on the Mathnasium model’s impact and growth potential.
More About the Mathnasium Franchise Opportunity
Mathnasium is a beloved franchise brand. Each year, they survey their franchisees to gather feedback about how the franchise system serves its franchisees. They also share their reports so that anyone can see their franchisee feedback. If you’re thinking about investing in a franchise, check out some of their data:
- 91% of franchisees agree that they enjoy operating this business.
- 85% of franchisees agree that their fellow franchisees are supportive of the brand
- 84% of franchisees agree they enjoy being a part of this organization.
Mathnasium also appears on many of our lists. From the data we collect, we put together our “Top” franchises by category. These are the lists Mathnasium made just this past year:
- Top 200 Franchises
- Top Franchises for Culture
- Most Innovative Franchises
- Top Franchises for Women
- Recession-Resistant Franchises
- Top Franchise for Veterans
To learn more about franchise opportunities with Mathnasium, call 888-763-2604 or visit http://mathnasiumfranchise.com.
Transcript
Allison Dudas (00:02)
Hi, I’m Allison Dudas from Franchise Business Review and I am here with a franchisee from Mathnasium. Welcome, Zeff Chang. Thank you so much for joining us today.
Zeph Chang (00:12)
Of course, thanks for having me.
Allison Dudas (00:14)
Absolutely. So today, part of my job is that I do get to talk to franchisees. And it’s a really great thing that I get to do because part of the thing that we’re trying to do is demystify the franchise ownership experience and also the franchise buying process. And when we get to talk to franchisees, we get a realistic picture of what it’s like owning their franchise. Now, Mathnasium is a child enrichment franchise. It’s a tutoring franchise.
And we have some really good data on Mathnasium because they have opted to yearly survey their franchisees to find out how the franchisees are doing. They use our surveys, which has 33 benchmark questions. And every year we survey tens of thousands of franchisees across hundreds of brands. So our data is third party objective and we just want to give it to you straight.
So let me give you a couple highlights from Mathnasium’s report just this year. 90 % of franchisees agree that they enjoy operating their Mathnasium franchise. 91 % of franchisees rated Mathnasium’s products and services above average. 85 % of franchisees agree that they enjoy being a part of the Mathnasium organization. So some pretty good stats.
⁓ So let’s get into what that looks like in real life. So, Zeth, let’s dig in. What were you doing ⁓ before you were owning a Mathnasium? And what made you decide on a Mathnasium?
Zeph Chang (01:47)
So actually.
Yeah, so it’s kind of a funny story for me. So I was working my
Previous business was in a summer camp doing public speaking and debate programs for kids. ⁓ So that was definitely more like, ⁓ I’m like a philosophy English history kind of guy. ⁓ And actually the Mathnasiums that we bought, ⁓ it’s actually, it was a family business. So my mom started Mathnasium when I was a kid and I was there watching her get it from the ground up. And I never thought I wanted to
involved. ⁓ But you know, she was retiring and she said, Hey, Zev, you know, would you, you know, buy the company for me? And then I told her no way. But actually coming back, I think like getting to meet the instructors and the students, I just remembered how much I loved it. And, ⁓ you know, she convinced me so so it was about a couple years back and it’s just been a blast ever since. ⁓
Allison Dudas (02:52)
That’s so great.
Okay, so I didn’t realize that you basically bought an existing franchise, that it was your mom’s franchise, and then that was in, what year was that?
Zeph Chang (03:02)
That was, I’m sorry, I’m so bad with time and things move so quickly, probably 2024. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we’ve kind of been through the whole, like getting to know all the different franchisees and meeting with people from HQ and everyone’s just been so supportive. It’s really, you know, I ran a business before where it was just, you know, me and the team of four or five leadership people. And that was like,
Allison Dudas (03:07)
Okay. So just a couple of years ago.
Zeph Chang (03:28)
It’s so night and day being inside of a franchise system where it’s like, know, Tyler and Kristen are so accessible and there’s like a hundred people to ask questions to who’ve been doing this for 10 years. It’s really awesome. Yeah.
Allison Dudas (03:41)
Yeah,
you’re not out there on your own, which I used to own a business. So I know that feeling very well. It can be, it can be very isolating. And I feel like, yes, when you own a franchise, you have the system behind you and you have corporate behind you. And not just that, one thing I hear when I talk to magnesium franchisees is the support that they get from other magnesium franchisees.
Zeph Chang (04:04)
I think that maybe is unique in the Mathnasium franchise system because I was talking to another franchisee and it was I think because a lot of Mathnasium people are just like really nice warm people and they love teaching they just love to give advice so like how to hire marketing training they’re just so ready to help you out and so you know it’s like a lady from Texas is gonna explain to me how to do training she spent like two
Allison Dudas (04:20)
Yeah.
Zeph Chang (04:34)
hours on the phone and I was like, God, can I buy you dinner or something? But it’s just, think, such a wonderful community because Mathnasium attracts people who they’re in it, you know, for something more than just like the operations. Yeah.
Allison Dudas (04:36)
I love it.
I think you’re totally right and funny enough, I’ve gotten to talk to probably three or four magnesium franchisees just this last year. I think the personality traits are very similar. I think it’s outgoing people, it’s friendly people, it’s helpful people. And it’s people who aren’t afraid to be like, actually, I have a way that you can do this. ⁓ So it does seem to attract.
some really great people who are willing to help each other. ⁓
Zeph Chang (05:23)
Yeah, like my, sorry,
I would just say my favorite week of the year is when we go to convention and just get to meet all the other franchisees and you catch up with friends. It’s, again, I don’t know what other franchise groups are, but these are people that I actually like love spending time with.
Allison Dudas (05:39)
Yeah, yeah,
that’s really cool.
Allison Dudas (05:41)
So, Zeph, I’m curious to know when you decided to step into your role as a Mathnasium owner, when you look around at fellow franchisees, because I know the community is so integral to your experience as an owner, did you feel like there were other people that looked like you? Did you feel like it was a diverse group of franchisees? What’s the culture like in that regard?
Zeph Chang (06:02)
Absolutely. think the wonderful part of Mathnasium is like all the owners are so different. I mean all 50 states, I think like maybe like 12 different countries now. Like so when you go to Mathnasium convention, you’ll see people who are young, who are old, who are you know all different languages, race, gender. I mean we got people from like France and Vietnam coming. So it’s just really a blast to get to meet everyone and hear everyone’s perspective.
perspectives, and I think it makes our whole organization stronger because there’s just people from all kinds of backgrounds and because you’re working with all kinds of students, know, so it really matters. Yeah.
Allison Dudas (06:44)
Absolutely. Absolutely.
And
yeah, you want to meet people where they are.
Zeph Chang (06:49)
Absolutely,
Allison Dudas (06:50)
Do you have just the one location now, Zeph?
Zeph Chang (06:53)
No, so we have eight locations at this point. ⁓
Allison Dudas (06:58)
Wow, wow. And that also
I find is somewhat typical of Math and Hazy franchisees is that many of them are multi-unit owners.
Zeph Chang (07:07)
I think people like start with one location or they’ll buy a couple and it just, I think it’s a great business model, right? It’s not a ton of capital investment. So really it’s about, it’s less about, ⁓ about that side, but more about just like your management skills and be able to work with a lot of people and making sure of a strong team. I think that’s the most important part. Yeah.
Allison Dudas (07:31)
Hmm.
Do you think it’s important to have a background in math?
Zeph Chang (07:37)
No, I don’t think so. mean, you got to be able to do linear equations. ⁓ But even then, well, it’s like,
Allison Dudas (07:44)
Can
I do linear equations? mean, maybe I need a little review. ⁓ okay, okay.
Zeph Chang (07:47)
3x plus 4 equals 8. ⁓ Sorry,
not linear algebra, linear equations. ⁓ Yeah. Most of the stuff that students really need help with are
Allison Dudas (07:53)
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Zeph Chang (08:00)
Like if you believe it or not, it’s fractions, it’s decimals, it’s percents and long division. ⁓ You know, a lot of kids just don’t have multiplication tables and then as they’re getting through fourth, fifth, sixth grade, seventh, eighth, like things fall apart. That’s what we always say. It’s like about the fundamentals and you don’t need to be a genius, but you have to care. That’s the most important part. Yeah.
Allison Dudas (08:22)
You
have to care, yes, and you have to care. You have to have some kind of interest in helping and supporting kids and their families.
Zeph Chang (08:29)
Absolutely. I think parents can feel that, right? It’s not like some big corporation. It’s like a local business where they know you, you know them, and they’re there because they know that you care about their kids and want their kids to succeed. That’s what a parent’s looking for.
Allison Dudas (08:44)
Yes,
yes, so it’s certainly about the kids, it’s certainly about the parents, and then you mentioned this a moment ago, and it’s really also a lot about managing people. ⁓ So my guess too is your center directors, knowing who to hire for your center directors, who to hire for your tutors, what do you call them, education coordinators?
Zeph Chang (09:06)
Yeah, so center directors and instructors is a term we had used for the teachers in the, ⁓ I would say the nice thing about Athanasium is you kind of do the job yourself at first. So like when you’re opening your first center, probably you’ll be the center director, you’re shaking hands with your parent, you figure out how you want things to be done. ⁓ And then you find someone to just slowly take that role. The nice thing is so with, we work with all ages of,
You know, from even some young high school, sorry, older high schoolers who are doing math tutoring with the younger kids all the way up to college kids and then even adults. And it’s, you get to work with a lot of different people. And I have a friend in the math amazing business and he says there’s strength in numbers and you want to have real diversity in your staff. A lot of different approaches, a lot of different ways of thinking. Cause all the kids are different. So, you know, you’ve got some people who are great with kids with special needs, other kids who are super advanced.
Allison Dudas (09:39)
Mm-hmm.
Zeph Chang (10:05)
and you just want to have a nice mix.
Allison Dudas (10:08)
Yeah,
that’s a good point. So take me back to when you first took over the Mathnasium Center. Obviously, you didn’t have the build out of the location and things like that. But as you’ve subsequently opened more centers, what has been, what has that process been like starting the new center and all of that?
Zeph Chang (10:27)
Yeah, I could…
I would say the first thing is…
There was like a four week training process that was super rigorous that I really appreciated just coming and never having done this before. was like three weeks online and then a week in person in LA. there was just, I don’t know, Matt Nesim’s been doing this for like decades, I guess. So there was just instructions like, here’s how to find a site. Here’s how to set up your first set of marketing. It was almost like too much detail because I’m somebody who’s more ADHD. I just like going for it, but it was really good.
working
with our franchise business consultant with just a checklist of all the things to get done. That was so helpful for me. Like I didn’t really know all the rules around background checks and hiring and marketing, but somebody else has already made all those mistakes. That was great. ⁓
And then we found a new location. We got help with the build out. There was somebody checking in with us on timeline to make sure we’re in good shape. We had, we were connected to a real estate broker who helped us analyze the lease. It was really just, I can’t say enough good things about how supportive a matinee has been for us. Yeah.
Allison Dudas (11:38)
That’s really great because there really are, especially when you actually have a brick and mortar, it just adds a whole other level of complication. And so if you have somebody walking through with you along the way, that’s so nice. What was the hardest part of the first year when you became an owner?
Zeph Chang (11:58)
The hardest part for me was… ⁓
just figuring out the kinds of people, both for the instructor role and the center director role, that I thought was best for the students. I think that’s something, you know, like in our, I remember our first set of interviewing for instructors, I was so like intent on really nailing the kind of candidate we’re looking for. And then like half the people I hired, it was like, oh, that was a terrible mistake. But you know, after a couple of months you figure out from actually like, you know, school of hard knocks.
what you’re looking for. Absolutely. So at this point, you know, we have a whole interviewing system and hiring system and we learn a lot of that from other franchisees and you know, I’ve got like four people that I can call up and say like, hey, what do I do in this situation? ⁓ And it’s just, again, I think the Mathnasium network, it’s like a thousand some franchisees and everyone’s just so, so nice. Yeah.
Allison Dudas (12:31)
Trial and error.
Yeah, yeah, and I think you really do touch upon something that’s sort of hard in a lot of different industries is hiring. It’s hard to know if you’re hiring the right people and there is gonna be some failure with that. And I guess for my question is when you had a bad experience, when you hired somebody that you thought was gonna be great and they ended up not, how did you kind of get that encouragement to keep going? Was it other Mathnasian franchisees? Was it the good people that you had hired?
Zeph Chang (13:24)
Yeah, think, know, tough days, call other franchisees and you say, my God, I’ve got all these problems. ⁓ the franchisees have been doing it for a while.
they’re not really worrying about problems. They’re kind of sipping margaritas on the beach. so there is some promise of like, hey, it’s not gonna be this way forever. You gotta figure out what the system is. You gotta learn how everything works. Year one is a lot harder than year two, year three, year four. ⁓ So that was really encouraging that other franchisees have been there. They figured it out.
Allison Dudas (14:01)
and it’s only out from there if you keep at it.
Zeph Chang (14:04)
Yeah, yeah,
I think it’s a great system where, again, I’m somebody who just like loves working. So I was like, as soon as we’re figuring out, let’s grow, let’s expand our impact. But there are some people that, you know, like I was saying, they, you know, have two, three centers. They’re happy with that and they just chill. It’s a great way to do it. Yeah.
Allison Dudas (14:27)
Yeah, and I like that you brought up that there are several Mathnasium franchisees that are kind of sitting pretty and they’re able to have that, that dream of that absentee ownership that a lot of people when they invest in a franchise are really hoping for that. And it certainly, in my experience talking to franchisees, it’s not available right off the bat. But it does seem that in the Mathnasium model that
after several years, especially if you scale and you start investing in opening up more than one location, that it does seem to be possible. I mean, I know, Zeff, you are actually not near your centers right now. You are on the opposite side of the country.
Zeph Chang (15:04)
No, I mean,
know, I know folks who, you know, have like one, two centers. There’s a kind of sweet spot, maybe one to three centers where they’re doing well. You’ve got a strong team, no regional manager, and you can kind of just keep it there. Um, and so there’s, there’s that. And then there’s also the folks who are going for a larger footprint.
It’s different ways, but it’s I think it’s a really wonderful ⁓ community and business to be in from the financial side, from the impact side. Yeah.
Allison Dudas (15:40)
Yeah, and we’ll get into the financial in just a moment, but I did want to bring up because we are about to announce our top franchises of 2026 for culture and Mathnasium did make that list, which is not surprising considering.
Zeph Chang (15:52)
Thank you.
Allison Dudas (15:53)
all of the things that you’re stating about culture. So when we talk about culture, we’re certainly talking about the franchisee community and the supportive nature of the franchisee community. And we’re also talking about how much people trust the franchisor and the support that they get from the franchisor. So there’s something like 17 questions that we look at in particular that help us determine the culture of a franchise system. And Mathnasium makes the cut for our top 100 franchises ⁓ in culture. So I just want to bring that up here.
Zeph Chang (16:23)
No, I’m glad, you know, it’s interesting too. Like it’s, haven’t experienced this before in organization where the culture, like from all the way from the top, all the way down to the instructors is so consistent. I think it’s because education just attracts the kinds of people that really do genuinely care. So, you know, we don’t feel like we’re fighting with, you know, the, the franchise or I’m just very grateful to be, and everyone’s very open in communication. But here’s what’s going on. Here’s what we’re doing with software. ⁓
Allison Dudas (16:34)
Hmm.
Zeph Chang (16:53)
Yeah.
Allison Dudas (16:54)
Yeah. So let’s talk a little bit about the financial performance because certainly people do want to know this, right? I mean, especially if they’re financing a magnesium franchise, they’re taking out a bunch of money. They want to know when they’re going to break even. They want to know all that kind of stuff. So could you walk us through your first year financially and what did revenue look like month by month?
When did you feel like things started clicking? And I just want to pause for a moment and just acknowledge that the Mathnasium model offers a recurring revenue, ⁓ which is maybe something you could talk about too, because I think that’s a pretty unique aspect of the system.
Zeph Chang (17:31)
Yeah!
I would say one thing that I think is wonderful about nasium is recurring revenue model. it’s you just there’s there’s different franchises that do differently. Some people do like a 12 month or seven month commitment. So that’s like contracts that recur. We actually just do month to month and we’ve really we really like that because parents stay because they’re appreciating the experience for their kids. It’s very consistent revenue for us. Like I can tell you probably within 10 percent what revenue for our
Allison Dudas (17:49)
Yep. Okay.
Zeph Chang (18:05)
whole system will be a year from now to this day just because it’s so consistent. You’ll see a little dip in the summer, there’s a big growth in the fall and then usually from fall to spring you keep increasing. The heart of the business is just retention and then word of mouth. Very simple business, just do a good job that way.
so we just opened a new center a few months back in Winchester, Massachusetts. If anyone’s there, ⁓ check out Mathnasium. So that was just the normal ordeal where we had found a rental location. It’s right on Main Street. It’s beautiful. ⁓ Actually, our franchise business consultant
Allison Dudas (18:35)
you
Zeph Chang (18:47)
You know, he went above and beyond and he like sent me this link and he’s like, Zeff, you need to reach out to the landlord today. We reached out that day. It was an incredible location, like right next to the school. did the build out the center looks beautiful. And we just opened about a month ago. We’re at like 25 students right now. ⁓ and you know, Mathnasium has such a strong brand that like parents, when they walk by.
just even without that much marketing, because you know even without that much marketing just walk by traffic we’re getting leads every single day and I think that’s something that is just great about Mathnasium is there’s so many Mathnasium people know it they drive by Mathnasiums in every town so that’s been great for us.
Allison Dudas (19:39)
Yeah, that’s a good point. And especially if you end up picking a location that’s so central, right near a school, right on Main Street, you’re going to get that foot traffic, you’re going to get that brand recognition. ⁓
it’s definitely important to think about. So that’s great that you’re FBC and just for anybody who’s not familiar, so ⁓ a franchise business coach in FBC, a lot of franchise brands, and they might call them something different, ⁓ assign franchisees in FBC and they accompany them, I guess I would say, through this whole process and… ⁓
answer questions and support and look out for you and are there if you feel like you’re facing problems, are there to help you. I mean it sounds like the FBCs of Mathnasium are pretty on top of things.
Zeph Chang (20:29)
Definitely,
been doing it a long time. Our FBC is named Mike, so Mike, just a shout out. And he’s just awesome. I think the FBCs again, like the franchisees, they just care. They want us to succeed. And so there’s a lot of shared best practices, what’s working here and it’s great to be as part of a franchise system.
Allison Dudas (20:35)
Shout out to Mike.
Allison Dudas (20:51)
So Zeph obviously one of the major things that people are talking about everywhere is AI. And I’m curious to see how Mathnasium and how you as a Mathnasium franchisee have incorporated these LLMs into your teaching, into your everything.
Zeph Chang (21:06)
So I think one is…
All of the franchisees are super innovative. So people are doing all kinds of LLM stuff and we’re learning from them and sharing and people are doing progress updates and notes and managing scheduling. It’s really cool and fun to be part of that entrepreneurial community. And then also headquarters is doing an entire, like right now they’re rolling out an entirely new scheduling software for parents.
Allison Dudas (21:24)
Mmm.
Zeph Chang (21:34)
So a big part of what Mathnasium does for us is they have this software called radius which is like ⁓ Jason Candela the CTO who’s like a tech genius build this software, I think ⁓ just on his own and ⁓ It now powers all the different franchisees where that handles like all the
billing, all the students, it handles all the learning plans. And so it’s like one central piece of software for everything that the instructor, center directors, you, and you can see all the information and analytics. And then they’re now adding out a parent portal or Mathnasium. I think it’s called, I don’t know what the actual name that they’re going to call it is, but that’s coming out. We’re super excited because now parents can schedule directly in the app or online. And then there’s AI stuff built into that. It’s a very exciting time.
Allison Dudas (22:00)
Mm.
Zeph Chang (22:25)
Yeah. ⁓
Allison Dudas (22:26)
That’s great
and then potentially eliminates some of the admin that you as the owner or certainly your center directors might get bogged down in.
Zeph Chang (22:34)
Absolutely allows us to focus on like what we care about and it’s also better for the financial side too because on the labor side it’s more effective Yeah, I would say there’s some some franchise the franchises I know that like where the headquarters is slow They make bad decisions that you’ll I’ve heard stories right but in Mathnasium, they’re so agile. They focus on the right things
Allison Dudas (22:53)
Thanks.
Allison Dudas (22:57)
Now, for your new location in Mass, you have 25 students now. And so it’s a membership model. So you have 25 students buying into that membership model. How many students do you think you need to kind of break even?
Zeph Chang (23:12)
We kind of think we’re going to break even around year two. ⁓ So that’s like
50 students, that would be our kind of worst case scenario. In our better case scenarios, we’re hoping for 100, 150 students by year two and three. And that happens all the time and hopefully we can do a great job and that’ll be us. ⁓ Yeah.
Allison Dudas (23:33)
Yeah, that’d be great. Okay, that’s
good to know, because I think people really do want to know, like, when, you know, when can I hope if I’m working hard, if I’m following the system, and there’s no guarantee. So obviously, take this, this is one person’s story, Mathnasium is not guaranteeing anything. ⁓ But this is this.
Zeph Chang (23:52)
Yeah,
I would say and again, I’m not no investment advice for me, but I would say for a new owner, right? Where you’re not paying a center director. Those are numbers I’m looking at with paying a center director full time. If you’re also the owner operator, people are break even six months in because
Like if you actually look at what the real investment is, you’re doing your build out. And then from there on, it’s not like there’s some huge capital investment. There’s no pizza ovens. There’s no, you know, huge build out. It’s, an open space and you know, we succeed based on how well we work with kids. And if we’re doing a good job and they pay us money, it’s a pretty simple business. Yeah.
Allison Dudas (24:22)
Great.
Hmm.
Were there any financial surprises even that you’ve had with some of these centers that have been in existence for longer? Any financial surprises that have come up?
Zeph Chang (24:43)
You know, one surprise for us on the Winchester side was when we were doing…
I think we budgeted, I think like 40,000 for the build out all in. And we’re in a town with like really crazy inspection requirements. So they made us like pay an architect. So like the permitting costs more than the demolition. So that was a surprise. Kind of we knew that was possible. And then the other surprise was we were looking at signage. think originally we planned for a more modest sign, but we want, as we were looking at options, you know, I was like, let’s just go.
big. So that was more of an investment where the signage, you know, we just went for it. I think it was like around $8,000 or something like that. But it’s gonna be beautiful.
Allison Dudas (25:30)
It’s gonna be grand. I love it. Yeah, and again to your point people are driving by people are seeing it
Zeph Chang (25:36)
Yeah, the storefront is the best marketing for Mathnasium because it’s like the product sells itself. It’s like if your kid needs math help, we’re the people.
Allison Dudas (25:46)
Yep, yep, I love it. Okay, so I just wanna close with a couple questions that hopefully will help somebody who’s watching this, maybe thinking about investing in a child enrichment franchise, maybe even fully digging into what it would be like to own a Mathnasium. So knowing everything that you know now, and I kind of already know the answer to this question, but would you do it again?
Zeph Chang (26:12)
Absolutely. Yeah, I think, you can even compare it to other, you know, I have an aunt who runs a daycare program and it just sounds so stressful with all the legal and dealing with parents. And I tell her like, yeah, like the kids walk in, we teach them some math, they walk out. ⁓ Every year more kids come back. It’s just kind of a…
I’m really grateful that’s something where we get to focus on what we care about the most, which is relationships with parents, relationships with students, connecting with the community. Yeah, would totally do this again.
Allison Dudas (26:53)
And then what’s one thing that you would want someone watching this to walk away knowing about Mathnasium?
Zeph Chang (27:02)
I would say if you’re not sure, try to talk to other Mathnasium owners and just ask about their experience because they’ll tell you about the community, they’ll tell you about what it’s like running a center. I think that’s how I was convinced that we should do this. And I know most other people who are starting Mathnasiums, once they talk to somebody else who’s running a Mathnasium, they go, okay, this sounds awesome.
Allison Dudas (27:30)
I think that’s a great, great point. You might as well talk to other people who are in it and just to see. And I even think you want to hear the bad stuff too. You want to hear what’s challenging and you want to hear what’s good. You want to hear it all. ⁓ Mathnasium is a brand that we at Franchise Business Review have worked with. Again, we survey.
you guys, the franchisees every year. we so we have a lot of data about you. And with that data that we’ve collected, we have put you on several awards lists for for many years. And I just want to go through some of them and buckle up because there are a few. just this year at Mathnasium is on our top franchises for culture. Our top franchises for women overall, they’ve made our top 200 franchises for twenty twenty six. So across all the brands that we
⁓ We survey. We also see them on our top franchises ⁓ that are recession resistant, our top franchises for veterans, and our most innovative franchises. So we see Mathnasium pop up again and again on our awards list and obviously for good reason. ⁓ So if anyone’s watching and is interested, I really hope that you’ll check out their franchisee status.
So they publish the whole thing on our website. You can go to franchisebusinessreview.com and find Mathnasium and you can download their report and you can read actual responses from franchisees. And then hopefully from there you’ll be able to ⁓ contact franchisees through Mathnasium, et cetera, and like talk to real people and hear more. ⁓ But it’s definitely an opportunity worth exploring, especially if you’re interested in kids, interesting and supportive.
kids and it doesn’t sound like you have to be a wizard math which is a relief because that that’s not my background I know that ⁓ but yeah yeah you just have to care and you can hire the math wiz’s right
Zeph Chang (29:30)
No, not at all. You just have to care.
Absolutely. We have a lot of math quizzes on the staff.
Allison Dudas (29:40)
I love that. love that. Well, Zev, thank you so much. It was so nice to talk to you and ⁓ absolutely. And enjoy your time in California while you’re away from your centers and best of luck with your new center in Winchester. I hope it goes so well.
Zeph Chang (29:44)
Thanks for having me.
Great, thank you so much.
Allison Dudas (29:58)
Absolutely.
